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Cardiologist and NDE Dutch researcher Dr. Pim van Lommel explore nonlocal consciousness and its transformational aftereffects. In accordance to our recent clinical principles, it is not probable to experience consciousness for the duration of a cardiac arrest, when circulation and respiration have ceased. But during the interval of unconsciousness owing to a everyday living-threatening disaster like cardiac arrest people may report the paradoxical event of enhanced consciousness seasoned in a dimension without having our conventional strategy of time and space, with cognitive features, with feelings, with self-identity, with recollections from early childhood and at times with (non-sensory) perception out and previously mentioned their lifeless body.
Considering that the publication of these prospective experiments on NDE in survivors of cardiac arrest, with strikingly identical benefits and conclusions, the phenomenon of the NDE can no for a longer period be scientifically dismissed. It is an authentic experience which are not able to be merely diminished to creativity, concern of death, hallucination, psychosis, the use of drugs, or oxygen deficiency, and individuals appear to be permanently modified by an NDE during a cardiac arrest of only some minutes period.
According to these scientific studies, the recent materialistic see of the relationship in between the mind and consciousness held by most medical professionals, philosophers and psychologists is too limited for a suitable knowing of this phenomenon. Supply: (2018 IANDS Conference)
About Pim van Lommel
For extra than 20 several years cardiologist Pim van Lommel has examined near-death experiences (NDEs) in sufferers who survived a cardiac arrest. In 2001, he and his fellow scientists revealed a analyze on Near Death Experiences in the renowned health care journal The Lancet. He, then, wrote the Dutch bestseller “Endless Consciousness” about 100.000 copies had been offered in the to start with calendar year. Pim van Lommel is a Dutch author and researcher in the industry of near-death research. He analyzed medication at Utrecht College, specializing in cardiology. He labored as a cardiologist at the Rijnstate Clinic, Arnhem, for 26 several years. https://pimvanlommel.nl/en/
What is a Near-Death Experience? (NDE)
A near-death experience, or NDE, is a profound psychological event that could come about to a man or woman near to death or who is not near death but in a condition of physical or emotional crisis. Remaining in a everyday living-threatening problem does not, by itself, represent a near-death experience. It is the pattern of perceptions, generating a recognizable total occasion, that has been referred to as “near-death experience.”
Across hundreds of many years and in cultures around the world, folks have described strong experiences that comply with this typical sample with its widespread attributes. At its broadest, the experiences entail perceptions of movement as a result of room, of light and darkness, a landscape, presences, intensive emotion, and a conviction of getting a new knowing of the mother nature of the universe.
An NDE may well begin with an out-of-body experience—a extremely distinct perception of becoming by some means separate from one’s physical body, probably even hovering nearby and observing activities likely on all-around the body. An NDE usually involves a feeling of relocating, frequently at good speed and ordinarily as a result of a dim place, into a wonderful landscape and encountering beings that might be perceived as sacred figures, deceased family members or pals, or unfamiliar entities. A pinpoint of indescribable light may perhaps improve to surround the human being in good but not painful radiance in contrast to bodily light, it is not simply visual but is sensed as currently being an all-loving presence that many individuals define as the Supreme Being of their religious religion.
A near-death experience may well consist of couple or many of the prevalent features. Several accounts of experiences include things like only one particular or two of the widespread functions, but all those were being so impressive they designed long lasting changes in people’s life.
The thoughts of an NDE are intensive and most commonly incorporate peace, enjoy and bliss, while a substantial minority are marked by terror, panic, or despair. Most men and women appear absent from the experience with an unshakable perception that they have discovered a little something of immeasurable significance about the goal of life. In general, the entire experience is ineffable—that is, it is over and above describing even art and metaphor can not capture it. The consequences of an NDE are typically everyday living-modifying, and its information will generally be remembered obviously for decades.
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He is an amazing cardiologist! I read his book a few months ago, and admire his many years of interviewing and observing thousands of patients 🙂
Article of Dr Pim van Lommel in Medical Journal Lancet https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11755611/
On all the after effects described and specially about the positive ones (enhanced sensibility, connectedness, "extra" sensory and so) that is how everybody is naturally wired to develop in a context absent of trauma.
"Getting there" through nde and general suffering is definitely the worst and least effective option available, not to mention the completely counterproductive negative side effects comprehensive of more trauma and consequent very problematic body disconnections which in time turns into renewed disconnection and so decrease of the positive results "acquired".
When someone starts a speach with "SO" I loose interest, bye
Before my experience I was diagnosed with congestive heart failure with a ejection fraction of 30 and stayed at 30 for a year and a half or so. After the experience in the past year or so it has climbed to 55. Which is in the normal range.
Why did it not occur in 82% of the non-Nde?
Let's be honest, an elderly Doctor in a suit and tie ,with a European accent somehow makes it far more believable then some old Californian hippie…(Not that there is anything wrong with old hippies…: ))
Wonderful talk, so thoughtful as usual with Dr. Van Lommel… Thank you IANDS and Dr. Van Lommel.
The man, the myth, the legend.
Guy is brought back, is quite angry, swings a loose punch at the offending EMT guy, and the other EMT says "WHY DO THEY ALWAYS DO THAT??!"…Me: "Why doesn't everyone ask them why? and really listen?"
wow yes
I have never had an NDE, but know people who have. I also experience a non-local awareness, non time bound layer in myself through the dreams, my own and those of others. This presentation was particularly helpful at bringing my understanding of brain function facilitating but not producing consciousness.
The only reason ppl have difficulty accepting NDEs is their own self-identification with/as the body or the body-mind – when we are ever sooo much more. The form is more like a costume or suit of clothes than who we are. We are awareness, consciousness, call that what you will, be it soul, spirit, Inner Being or whatever.
Once we accept that we are not bound by this or any body into which we incarnate, things make so much more sense. Also, by self-identifying as the form, we limit ourselves to its inherent limitations – not at all wise.
Again, we are so much more than just the form that comes & goes. As Source-in-form, we are both infinite & eternal; but we won't experience that until we allow it by getting rid of some old, inaccurate beliefs. It's kinda funny that we're in charge of it all, the only one blocking the self. 😀
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I think it is a little bit confusing how to best define an NDE.
If someone is engaged in meditation, goes out of body, goes through a mystical experience, experiences audience with luminous profoundly compassionate, loving and enlightened beings, has a host of experiences out side of time and through eternities, experiences multiple incarnations, along with a whole host of ineffable complexities, including being offered to not come back to their body (physical death) is this to be categorized as an NDE?
I feel like we need a broader term that NDE's can be categorized into. At the same time so much has gone into the establishing of the NDE premise already. I see great value in the establishing of the NDE premise. The NDE conversation and exploration is far more critical than carefully defining and categorizing experience's.
One NDE'r was clinically dead, and reported being locally out of body, in the room looking down on his body, and then returning to his body. This peeks interest in considering whether or not there is consciousness independent of the body. Other people have more elaborate OBE's that are not associated with any medical issues or physical trauma, but can be interpreted in more varying ways.
Some NDE'rs do not report being locally out of body, or going through a tunnel, but they are clinically dead, "while" having an experience that seems to be intrinsically and characteristically out of body. An OBE has the minimal potential to experience a disconnection with the physical body and the I experiencer. After this minimal experience there are many levels of potential experience. If we categorize these levels of potential experience, we can then make a reasonable inference as to roughly around what level an NDE was taking place around, even if one does not report having experienced a conventional transition to this level, like recalling leaving their body first, and or then traveling through a tunnel… Is it unfair or too assumptive to think these experiences are are all firstly out of body and then being experienced at some classifiable level?
I had a particular OBE where I was simultaneously experiencing the outer and inner universe as one correlated whole. The experience graduated a number of times beyond the experience of a conscious living, conscious breathing, conscious physical universe. At some point the graduation's expanded way outside of time and space references. Instead of time being a medium that I was within, that could hold still, time had been reduced to that of an object that could be observed attached to one space or another, like furniture in a field, but mostly was not present…
It is my summation that all NDE's are simply OBE's spurred by clinical death or other life threatening events/conditions. At the same time most all reported "OBE's" are relatively trivial, compared with all reported "NDE's".
Typical NDE's are of particular interest due to surrounding conditions.
A minority of OBE's graduate a level of qualitative interest, and then seem to adopt the catagory of NDE.
In many, if not all, religious and spiritual philosophies it is encouraged to become "dead to the world", to let go of "your life", etc, etc, etc.
During a typical NDE one's connection with this world, is made thin or cut in one way or another.
During an OBE a spiritually transcendent attitude can graduate the experience to what is being categorized as an NDE in this video.
The typical NDE is valuable to the limitations of scientific rationale. The quality of the ineffable verbiage of all these experiences is what drives the pro NDE premise. The practice and observation of all these qualities amoung us is priceless on every level.
Listen to IANDvideos has helped me grow into a more empathic and tolerant human being. Thank you for what you do.
Also at least consider that this tunnel and light could in fact be a soul trap with forced reincarnation. Since everyone is always cajoled into coming back into their meat bag, it's one thing to consider. I think we are trapped here in this hellscape, but pray I am wrong.
Is consciousness is quantum mechanical?
Is mind different that consciousness?
Mind is collection of thought and imagination emotions?
Consciousness is just observes mind?
100% truth, thanks so much for sharing this, Cheers
This is an excellent presentation, maybe even definitive, both because of the extensive research van Lommel brings to it, and because of how many important facets of the subject are addressed.
Having said that, I want to address a handful of related points that I’ve rarely (if ever) seen covered in discussions on NDEs, but that are meaningful to me and based on my own insight and experience:
30:32 "…for now I know that mind and body are separate, and that there is life after death. And about all people who experienced an NDE lose their fear of death."
Not everyone who’s encountered death loses their fear of death. More to the point, some actually become more afraid of death, precisely because it’s not an absolute end. Two possible causes of this are, 1) the NDE was negative and terrifying (cf. the work of NDE researcher Nancy Evans Bush); or 2) the individual, for whatever reason, simply has a deeply rooted preference for non-being, regardless of whether the anticipated alternatives are heavenly or hellish. Of course, I recognize that very few people will be able to wrap their minds around the second point, even in the abstract. But trust me when I say that this orientation is a reality for some.
1:06:30 "However, we should acknowledge that research of NDEs cannot give us the irrefutable scientific proof for the conclusion that the death of the body is not the end of our consciousness, because people with an NDE did not quite die."
This is important to bear in mind, and is the main reason (though not the only one†) why I think that NDEs are far stronger evidence for consciousness not depending on the brain, than they are for consciousness surviving death (at least in personal form. More about that below).
† Another consideration in support of not over-interpreting NDE data as evidence of consciousness after death: if you go the NDERF site and read as many of the thousands of user-submitted NDE accounts as you can handle, you will find that there are far more idiosyncratic elements than universal elements. Indeed, even in the research cited by van Lommel at 14:45 in this video, those classic, “universal” NDE features, such as positive emotions (56%), moving through a tunnel (31%), communication with “light” (23%), meeting with deceased relatives (32%), and life review (13%) occur in barely more than — and often far less than — half of NDE accounts.
The point I’m making isn’t to diminish any of the accounts, but to be wary of confirmation bias in assuming that all or most NDE accounts share commonalities and universal features, which in turn reinforces the belief that you can know for sure exactly what’s in store when you die. A more neutral perusal of the literature shows that this simply isn’t the case. But again, said literature is much stronger as evidence that consciousness isn’t produced by the brain. That’s what I think should be the takeaway here.
1:07:48 “There is no beginning, nor will there ever be an end to our consciousness. The NDE seems to be a personal rediscovery of wisdom and insight that is ages and ages old, and has been well known in many cultures and at all times, but nowadays seems to be forgotten."
Actually, his comment about "wisdom and insight that is ages old" pertains more to mystical realization (variously known as enlightenment, awakening, liberation, etc.) than to NDEs. The main difference between the two is that NDErs almost always retain some sense of individuality (even if very subtle), and continuity with their biographical identity, no matter how profound and overwhelming the experience overall; whereas mystical realization is largely or entirely impersonal, and even more crucially, completely transcends the subject-object mode of being (i.e., there isn’t a “spiritual being” that’s “becoming one” with a source that is still somehow other than itself. Rather, it’s discovered that there is only ever source playing at being separate things and people that are all "other").
In short, while I have rock bottom (mystical) certainty that the source and substance of this (or any conceivable) reality is eternal and inextinguishable, that doesn’t necessarily mean that one’s biographical narrative is eternal and inextinguishable, nor that one’s present biographical narrative is but part of a vast metanarrative — à la reincarnation. Then again, it might be. The point here, as in the previous examples above, is to focus on what’s most essential and certain: that consciousness isn't produced by matter.